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Ok, naslov je malo preoštar al bar vam je privukao pozornost :p

Koliko sam uspio vidjet, jedan član je prevaren pri kupnji Facebook fan stranice odnosno oglašavanju na istoj. Zbog toga, da se spriječi zloupotreba u budućnosti, na forum je uvedena opcija ocjenjivanja kupca/prodavača.

Dakle, ako ste od nekoga kupili nešto i sve je prošlo u redu dajte mu pozitivnu ocjenu. Ako nije prošlo kako treba dajte mu negativnu ocjenu.

Također, ako ste nekome prodali nešto isti proces, ako je sve ok dajte pozitivnu ocjenu, ako nije dajte negativnu ocjenu.

Kako se forum širi biti će sve više oglasa i sve više poslovanja među userima, a tu će se uvijek pokušati ugurati i prevaranti, ali s druge strane imati ćemo korisnike od povjerenja s kojima će se preko ovih bodova znati da su osobe s kojima se bez straha može poslovati.

Nova opcija ocjenjivanja prikazuje se pri svakom postu, kod svakog korisnika, a zove se "Trade count". Ocjenu dajete klikom na broj u zagradi.

Naziv će se možda u budućnosti mijenjati ali o tome ćete biti obaviješteni.

Što kažete? ;)
 
ideja je super, ali moje licno misljenje je da to i ne znaci nesto puno, s'obzirom da se ovde ne trguje toliko, bolje bi bilo da se uvede nesto kao middleman, evo primera:
npr. prodajem 3 step up skriptu,ili fun page ...
prodavac posalje skriptu middlemanu ili prebaci fun page na middlemenov fb account, zatim kada kupac posalje pare prodavcu middleman prebaci fb acc na kupcev nalog ili mu posalje skriptu, u koliko kupac ne posalje pare smatra se za prevaranta i sledi mu ban :)
to je najsigurniji nacin ... jedino oko cega bi mozda bio problem jeste taj middleman :)
to mora biti osoba od poverenja koja je dugo na forumu i koja je doprinela razvoju foruma ... ali to je samo moja ideja :)

pozz
 
A tko bi bio taj middle man i ja se pitam? Najbolje bi bilo da je taj middle man kompjuter. Postoji opcija zove se Escrow, ali to eventualno kad su veće cifre u pitanju, za manje se ne isplati.

http://escrow.com/

Nažalost, ova opcija na forumu je najviše pto možemo napraviti po tom pitanju, ako ne želite riskirati ni nemojte ulaziti u trgovinu s nekim.
 
ne doima se losom ta "middleman-ideja"...

eh sad, naravno da niko ne zeli da ima tu odgovornost, odnosno obavezu, izuzev:
mozemo npr sklopiti interni dogovor ovdje na forumu, i tako angazovati nekoga ko ce ne samo raditi to za nas, vec i motivacije radi - imati neke koristi od toga.
to se moze npr unaprijed dogovoriti, neko fiksno placanje ili slicno...

dakle:
- npr ja prodajem FB fp - i saljem sve sto je potrebno middlemanu
- onaj koji kupuje - salje ugovoreni novac takodjer middlemanu
- kad obe stranke ispune svoje uslove - middleman salje jedno jednom, drugo drugom i eto ga
(upravo kako je to opisano i u prethodnom postu)
ALI: koju korist ima npr middleman od toga? pa, ako je neko paranoican, i ne usudjuje se da trguje sa clanovima foruma, on moze da plati npr 5-10% od vrijednosti transakcije - uglavnom neki iznos po dpgpvoru - kako bi i middleman imao od toga koristi, a ne samo obavezu.
u suprotnom, kome je taj trosak neprihvatljiv, moze "naslijepo" da trguje, i tako prihvata tu mogucnost da bude prevaren...
...to je moje neko misljenje bilo...

pozz
 
hmmm nikada nisam video ovaj escrow ... na kom principu radi ? jel uzima neku proviziju ili radi za dz ? :)
a sto se tice middleman-a mislim da na forumu ima dosta ljudi od poverenja kojima ne bi predstavljao problem da odrade to :)
, a middleman bih se samo aktivirao u slucaju da kupac i prodavac ne mogu da se dogovore, kolko sam primetio ovo je prvi put da je neko prevaren na forumu, a forum postoji vec dugo ... tako da se middleman-ov posao svodi na 5 min mesecno :)

@anarchix - mislim da middleman-u nista ne bih znacilo 5% na 5$ za kolko se prodaju skripte ili status update ... verujem da bi on to radio da doprinese kvalitetu foruma :)
 
maloni1991 kaže:
hmmm nikada nisam video ovaj escrow ... na kom principu radi ? jel uzima neku proviziju ili radi za dz ? :)
a sto se tice middleman-a mislim da na forumu ima dosta ljudi od poverenja kojima ne bi predstavljao problem da odrade to :)
, a middleman bih se samo aktivirao u slucaju da kupac i prodavac ne mogu da se dogovore, kolko sam primetio ovo je prvi put da je neko prevaren na forumu, a forum postoji vec dugo ... tako da se middleman-ov posao svodi na 5 min mesecno :)

Naravno da uzimaju proviziju. Radi na principu da ako npr prodaješ nešto nekome, daš mu svoj proizvod, a on ga čuva sve dok mu kupac ne da pare, onda on proslijedi proizvod kupcu, a tebi novac. Nisam nikad koristio ali znam da je ok i jako popularan. Mislim da čak i Money Bookers ima Escrow opciju.

A za middle man-a ništa za sad. Budite sretni s onim što imate :p
 
Meni se ova opcija jako sviđa InFlames, svaka čast ;)

Samo ne bi trebala to sada da bude formalnost samo i da niko ne stavi rating onome sa kime je poslovao.

Tako da pozivam ljude da se malo razmrdaju, odvoje 50 sekundi da daje rating onima sa kojima su poslovali. Evo ja ću prvi to da radim, i sad ću naći one sa kojima sam do sada poslova sa ovog foruma i dati rating. Na svu sreću imao sam uvek dobre procene pa nema loših iskustava, ali to svakako treba naznačiti, što ću i učiniti, a pozivam i ostale da to urade ;)

:waving
 
Da, da, DavidVictor, zaboravio sam to reći a mislio sam. Ako ste već poslovali s nekim svakako ga ocjenite ;)
 
maloni1991 kaže:
hmmm nikada nisam video ovaj escrow ... na kom principu radi ? jel uzima neku proviziju ili radi za dz ? :)
a sto se tice middleman-a mislim da na forumu ima dosta ljudi od poverenja kojima ne bi predstavljao problem da odrade to :)
, a middleman bih se samo aktivirao u slucaju da kupac i prodavac ne mogu da se dogovore, kolko sam primetio ovo je prvi put da je neko prevaren na forumu, a forum postoji vec dugo ... tako da se middleman-ov posao svodi na 5 min mesecno :)

@anarchix - mislim da middleman-u nista ne bih znacilo 5% na 5$ za kolko se prodaju skripte ili status update ... verujem da bi on to radio da doprinese kvalitetu foruma :)

pa dobro, nisam ni mislio na te iznose, realno, ako te neko zakine za 5$ - mislim da ces to vec moci preboljeti...u suprotnom - sumnjam i da postoji neko ko ce za 5$ pasti nekom u ocima, ako cu vec nekog za*ebati, onda recimo za 10'000 $ :D (salim se xD)
i, mislio sam vise vako na ozbiljnije poslove gjde je u pitanju 100-200-xxxx $
izmedjuostalog, svejedno sad ionako...InFlames je protiv da izmisljamo toplu vodu ;)
 
Slazem se da je za sad ova opcija sasvim ok, a budali ako se isplati popusiti ban zbog 5-10$ onda ok..
Ovde se takodje javlja jedan drugi problemcic, kad npr. napravi 2-3 prodaje ili nesto kupi, dobice npr. pozitivne ocjene, a onda 4-u zajebe i dobije negativnu, njemu je svejedno.
Znaci opet nismo nista dobili, moje misljenje i iskustvo mi govori da je najbolje sledece:

Ovako:
Prodavac je taj koji mora biti siguran, a kupaca ne treba toliko obavezivati, jer treba dozvoliti covjeku van foruma da moze kupiti neku uslugu itd..
Npr. dodje lik nadje na google neku ponudu i zanima ga to, registruje se na forum i zeli nesto da kupi, zasto njega gnjaviti s tim?
Treba prodavca stegnuti i zabraniti objavljivanje oglasa sa min. 50 postova, a moderatori su ti koji treba da prate svakog clana sta pise po forumu jer odma se vidi, dali nabija postove samo radi oglasa ili je aktivan clan.
Budale svakako treba rijesiti odma u startu..
Znaci da samo provjereni ljudi mogu nesto prodati i upravo njih treba ocjenjivati jer moze biti ok clan i aktivan, a opet prevarant!
Ovim je stegnut prodavac znaci, a kupcu navesti da je duzan uplatiti iznos i tek onda dobija uslugu ili sajt, domen, fan page itd.. sta vec kupuje..
Logicno je da prvo uplatis pa nesto dobijes, a ne nesto dadnes pa da ti se onda plati, mislim da ste me razumjeli..

Sto se tice middleman ideje, to je totalna glupost, jer isti taj covejk ili onaj ko kontrolise moze da prisvaja skripte i neke vazne stvari sto se prodaje. Ne pada mi na pamet da to radim :) i koristim.
 
@masterbih:
u potpuno se slazem, da je to fina ideja, ali ti sam sebe jednim dijelom demantujes, posto:
- kazes da neki clan moze imati npr 3 uspjesne/postene prodaje (po 5-10$), i tako stekne fine ocjene/reputaciju i onda 4. put ga zabije nekome, nasuka te za 200$...
- s druge strane kazes da treba "osigurati" prodavaca ovdje na forumu...sasvim je nemoguce licno smatram, da bilo ko za bilo koga ovdje garantuje...

nadalje, opet spominjes da je ideja middlemana glupa iz razloga sto on moze da vidi tvoje skripte itd - a ti bi volio da za djaba sa sigurnoscu trgujes...e jbg...izmedjuostalog, s cim god da se radi, fajlovi se mogu kljucati fino, a pw npr das kupcu ako ti je toliko stalo da neko ne vidi nesto tvoje...na kraju krajeva, vodimo raspravu oko nicega, jer se ovo ionako nece uzeti u razmatranje...i ipak:

- mislim da je pametna ideja, da se prodavac u odnosu na kupca mora pokazati u mnogo boljem svjetlu, upravo jer kupo-prodaja i funkcionise po principu "plati pa se vozaj"...

pozz
 
Umesto middlemana imenovati 3 clana koji bi isprobali proizvod/uslugu na fazonu Free Reviewa. Prodajes status update. Nema problema, odradis jedan ili dva besplatno za te clanove, oni ocene da li usluga vredi ili ne.
Prodajes skriptu, poslaju takvom clanu da je proveri i neka da review.
Neka bude obaveza svakog kupca i prodavca da oceni uslugu (da da iTrader).
Ali opet da tako kazem balkanska posla, naci ce se neko pametan da se rega jedno 50 puta i nabije sam sebi iTrader. Pre ces naci coveka koji ce da te za*ebe za 1$ iako moze da od tebe zaradjuje 10 dnevno.
 
Smatram da je iTrader jako dobro rjesenje. Upravo sam dao ocjenu o prodaji.
Mislim da nema potrebe za middleman-om.
Ocjenjivanjem kupnje-prodaje, moze se vidit sto se prodavalo i komentar vezan uz to.
Znaci, ak je neko skupio 5 Tradera za prodaje od 2-3$ onda niko pametan nece ic kupovat sa 100% sigurnoscu nest od tog lika za 500€
 
Da, pošto možete komentirati pri ocjenjivanju možete i napisati o kojim se ciframa približno radi, ako su malo napišete do $20, ako su recimo veće napišete $100+ i sl. ovisno o kakvim se ciframa radi. Ali bez obzira na bodove ako je član dugo na forumu, ako ima puno zahvala, ako ga zajednica cijeni to isto puno znači. Najvažnija je vaša prosudba, ako vam nešto smrdi nemojte poslovati s tom osobom i gotovo.
 
Uh što vi volite da zakomplikujete :d koji će vam srednji čovjek, ili trojica testera... ako neko kupuje, neka kupuje direktno od prodavača. Sam pao, sam se udario! Jel' vodiš curu prvo nekom da je "testira" pa onda ti? Naravno da ne vodiš. Onaj kome nešto treba on će to naći, na ovaj il' na onaj način. Forum služi za razmijenu mišljenja, traženje savjeta i sl.
 
Zalosno sto nakon dvije godine moram ovu temu pokrenuti iz mrtvih, ali izgleda da je neophodno.
Molimo vas da prijavite sve zloupotrebe i muljaze na forumu, prevarante, duple profile i tako dalje.

DavidVictor je nedavno letio zbog toga, evo odose i Adsenseamater, iako kvalitetni i dugogodisnji clanovi,
te jos poneki manje poznati ili bitni clanovi. Pouka je da je tesko vjerovati i provjerenim ljudima, a vi
na vlastitu odgovornost poslujete sa ostalim clanovima foruma.

Cilj ovog svakako nije da vam gasim madjusobno povjerenje, nego vas pozivam da ucestvujete u ciscenju prevaranata,
kako bi se to povjerenje upravo moglo podici na visi nivo. Mozete uvijek poslati poruku nekome od modova ili adminu,
ali je bitno da i ostali clanovi vide ko je kakav, s toga iznesite slobodno i javno svoja (losa) iskustva.

et :waving
 
Dosta sam trgovao od kada sam došao ali na sreću nisam još uvijek a nadam se da nikad ovdje neću biti prevaren
 
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